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Continuing our little "use your stitch dictionary like a cookbook" series...

Traditionally, stitches in a stitch dictionary are presented for knitting flat (back and forth in rows). If you want to use one of the stitches for something knitted in the round (a sock, say, or a hat), then you have to do a little bit of conversion magic. Here are the basic conversion steps:

1. Pick an appropriate stitch pattern.

Some patterns are easy to convert from rows to rounds; some can be mind-bendingly difficult. Before you get your heart set on a particular stitch pattern for use in a cute baby hat, check to see if it looks like it will convert easily to working in the round. There are two things you want to look for: First, a pattern where the wrong-side rows contain only purl stitches or knit stitches, and second, a pattern where the number of edge stitches is the same on all rows. (Remember that edge stitches are the ones outside the repeat section.)

2. When figuring out how many stitches to cast on: Drop the "balancing" stitches from your calculations.

In other words: Drop the Y number in the "multiple of X stitches plus Y" notation discussed above. Cast on only the "multiple of X" number for your in-the-round pattern.

3. When you are knitting: Work from asterisk to semi-colon only.

In other words, everything between those two punctuation marks is your stitch repeat, and you will knit just those stitches around and around your "tube."

4. Convert the wrong-side rows to right-side rounds.

You're always on the right side when you knit in the round, right? So there are no "wrong-side rows," technically. There are two steps to getting the wrong-side right in your circular knitting. First, all purl stitches become knit stitches and all knit stitches become purl stitches. Second, the "wrong-side" instructions are read backwards! An example will help here: Say that the wrong-side ROW instructions tell you to work "p3, k1" across. For circular knitting, you would work "p1, k3" around. So: Purls became knits, knits became purls, and you work the repeat in reverse. This can be a bit confusing, so WRITE OUT the wrong-side instructions in the new circular "language" in order to help yourself keep it all "straight"!

If in doubt, chart it out.

The steps given above for converting flat stitch patterns to in-the-round stitch patterns will work well for symmetrical patterns that are simple in design. If you have your heart set on a complex or asymmetrical pattern, then graph paper, pencils, swatching, and patience are your best friends. Or, for the more computer-savvy, try using a spreadsheet program, setting a narrow column width and using your own set of symbols for the stitches to see how things line up. I do this with all my own designs, and although the results are not publishable, my home-grown charts are a huge help in my knitting.





Sandi Wiseheart is the editor of Knitting Daily.

What's on Sandi's needles? The yarn for Nicholas' cabled pullover has been delivered, and swatching is done. Now for the knitting!




Posted Oct 08 2007, 12:00 AM by KD Sandi
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NinaT wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Mon, Oct 8 2007 10:44 AM
I've converted easy flat patterns to circular because I love having no seams. For me, it's so much easier to chart out more complex designs, giving myself something to mark off as I finish. I use Excel, I've even downloaded graph paper to use. I'll be on the lookout for a pattern I can use to try your method. Or maybe I'll make something up, just so I can try this. Thanks.
Selvedge wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Mon, Oct 8 2007 11:33 AM
I think that "wrong side" rows could include yarn overs, and slip stitch, besides knit and purl. For slip stitch, if it says "with yarn in front", it would have to be converted to "with yarn in back" and vice versa, of course.
AlisonM wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Mon, Oct 8 2007 1:11 PM
I always try out a stitch pattern converted to circular knitting by casting on enough to fill a 40cm needle and experimenting. If you go wrong but it looks good anyway you might just have invented a new stitch!
Jennifer H wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Mon, Oct 8 2007 1:50 PM
This is great information. I was about to experiment with this myself. Seems like there are so many patterns out there that could be made in the round rather than flat as the pattern calls for (a vest I want to knit, for instance). Thank you!!
LoriG wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Mon, Oct 8 2007 2:04 PM
Thank you for this article! I've got a few patterns I'd like to make to sock patterns, but have been a bit in the dark as to how to do this. You've opened my eyes. Thanks!
PatF wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Mon, Oct 8 2007 2:29 PM
This is one of the reasons that stitch dictionaries should show stitch patterns as charts; then you're just reading a chart right-to-left, and that's easy. Converting to your own chart is next best, I think.
KatherineH wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Mon, Oct 8 2007 2:37 PM
This is one of those areas where knowing how to read one's stitches (not just charts and written instructions) comes in handy. So is understanding the relationship between "the way it looks on the front" to "the way it looks on the back". Remember it wasn't so long ago that people would make sampler strips to use as "charts" instead of doing all this paperwork!

Being able to read stitches also means that if you're on the bus and spot someone with a great stitch pattern on their sweater, you can just jot it down yourself :-).
KathyZ wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Mon, Oct 8 2007 2:42 PM
Hi, Sandi!
May I please have permission to re-print the info on converting stitch patterns in my shop newsletter? The newsletter is distributed free of charge to our customers and we certainly will give Kniting Daily credit as the original source. Please let me know if this is OK. Thanks!
Kathy Zimmerman, Kathy's Kreations
AdcockJ wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Mon, Oct 8 2007 2:42 PM
Thank you so much for covering a topic that's been burning in my mind! I'm gradually coming into my own on understanding what goes on when I use a particular stitch, what it looks like, what it does for the overall piece, etc. You've just added a great picture and piece of the puzzle rattling around in my head. :~D
RhondaB wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Mon, Oct 8 2007 2:54 PM
Great article. Could you do an example chart?
MaryM wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Mon, Oct 8 2007 3:14 PM
How do I get 'Excel'? Joined this group today and already am challenged. Thanks for the answer. Mary in NC
KeturahY wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Mon, Oct 8 2007 3:21 PM
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
I am getting ready to design a pair of fingerless mitts using a lace pattern I found - but I didn't know how to convert it to use in the round. Your post came in just the nick of time!
LeahD wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Mon, Oct 8 2007 3:23 PM
On row 3 of today's pattern, shouldn't it end with K2 instead of K2tog? Thank you.
SharonO wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Mon, Oct 8 2007 3:47 PM
Thank You. This is a great article. I have been wanting to do some socks of my own design and this is great info on adapting standard stitches. And add it to the Stitch of the Day, well, what more does one need.

Thanks.
JudiD wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Mon, Oct 8 2007 3:55 PM
I love the William Street Sock pattern, can't wait to make them. I have been converting patterns for some time and find it pretty easy now.
GirlMeetsNeedle wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Mon, Oct 8 2007 4:33 PM
Oh my goodness! Thank you sooo much for this post. I've got this gorgeous stitch pattern that I've been dying to use on socks but I wasn't sure how to convert them for in the round until I saw this post. So helpful! I love this site!
TamaraH wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Mon, Oct 8 2007 4:39 PM
Here is a website that offers cool charting capabilities.
http://jacquie.typepad.com/Charts/knitChart.htm
KatP wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Mon, Oct 8 2007 5:18 PM
love this concept! I'd rather knit in the round on some things but was just too chicken to try it on a pattern that didn't call for it. My next top will be knit in the round! lol

as for UFO's - I just finished up 2 tops, a cute little purse(I lined it too!)and am almost done with another top and the pink knitters bag. Rather than using needles for the top, I am using some chopsticks I got somewhere that are really nice looking. I just need to glue the stitches down really good so they don't slip off. I even thought about making some cool 'tip' covers out of polymer clay...
txkat
Anonymous wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Mon, Oct 8 2007 5:36 PM
Remember also that if the original pattern had "sl wyif" on a wrong side row to convert that to "sl wyib". I'm making a chemo cap using the triple gull stitch (thank you, Barbara Walker), so I'm very aware of this important step.
Vis Major wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Mon, Oct 8 2007 5:40 PM
You must have read my mind; I was wondering about this very topic just today. Thanks once again for sharing so much helpful information with us.

(Are you tired of hearing how much we love Knitting Daily yet? :)
PaulineL wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Mon, Oct 8 2007 6:08 PM
For Mary in NC,
Excel is a spreadsheet program, a part of Microsoft Office. If you have a version of Windows on your PC, you probably have at least a stripped down version of Excel as a part of Works. I'm sure you could use that. If you have a Mac there is probably an equivalent, but I don't know about them.

For those of you who are familiar with Excel but without it at home, try downloading Open Office for free. I think it runs on any OS.
JoyZ wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Mon, Oct 8 2007 7:03 PM
hi sandi, thank you very much for this invaluable info, i am sure it will come in handy, i have a question: if we reverse everything, then isn't it just "logical" to replace a K2TOG with a sl1K1PO? and the latter with the former? also, shouldn't then they be P2TOg? and not K2TOG? since the knit is replaced with purl?
MaryD wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Mon, Oct 8 2007 7:34 PM
I m disappointed that there is such a nice article about conversions but taht the picture of Papyrun Lace , though shown, was not included.
TaraR wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Mon, Oct 8 2007 7:39 PM
Mary D, the Papyrus lace was the stitch of the day sometime last week. These are not archived. Get 'em while you can! (I missed one last week and was bummed, so I know how you feel.)

I just want to say that this information is extremely helpful, Sandy. I never thought I'd do my own designs, but with the tips on here, I'm feeling braver... (Actually, once I converted a dishcloth pattern into a scarf, but that was simple... Turned out gorgeous, though!)
IsirisC wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Mon, Oct 8 2007 7:40 PM
Thanks so much for this article! I've been wondering how I could do this.
TerriK wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Mon, Oct 8 2007 7:51 PM
Thanks so much for the terrific tutorial!! I've printed it out and saved it in a binder with all the hints and tips I find on the net to help me with my knitting. This one is invaluable. :o)
SallyO wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Mon, Oct 8 2007 8:03 PM
I'm another one who's mind was read--just thinking about this this morning! I too, thought charting would be helpful. Thank you for a great post!
SallyO wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Mon, Oct 8 2007 8:04 PM
I'm another one who's mind was read--just thinking about this this morning! I too, thought charting would be helpful. Thank you for a great post!
SallyO wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Mon, Oct 8 2007 8:04 PM
I'm another one who's mind was read--just thinking about this this morning! I too, thought charting would be helpful. Thank you for a great post!
GraceS wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Mon, Oct 8 2007 8:53 PM
Hello,
I'm so happy about this topic. It opens up so many possibility to knitting that I've never thought of!

I have a question though and can't seem to find an answer to. It also seems that it's not a much covered topic. If I use a different stitch, how do I count the stitch when I knit a swatch? I can't ever seem to figure that one out.

Thanks for any thoughts and help.
Mary wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Mon, Oct 8 2007 10:59 PM
Is Slanting Open-Work Stitch the first of the Stitch of the Day series?
WendyM wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Mon, Oct 8 2007 11:09 PM
Thank you for this - it's a great help. Would you also do an article on cast-on methods for joining in the round? I usually end up with the 'wrong side' on the outside and have to knit a straight row first before joining. There must be other ways.
Baxterknits wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Tue, Oct 9 2007 12:06 AM
Since you mentioned charting, what do you use to get a graph that is publishable?
JoyJ wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Tue, Oct 9 2007 2:20 AM
there is this site http://www.innaz.com/cgi-bin/makechart/makechart.cgi where you write the instructions per row, eg Row 1 K1 P2 K2tog ssk, and they convert it for you into a chart.

really neat for those who love charts, and since the stich patterns given are for a few rows, why not try writing them using this programme, and voila you have a chart!
JoyZ wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Tue, Oct 9 2007 8:21 AM
ok cindi, i understand now the writing the K and P and doing them ooposite and in reverse order, this was for the "WRONG" side of a flat pattern! so i guess the rest (all the odd rows) stay the same.. i had this as a flash in the morning, we just couldn't do the K2TOG as a P2TOG, right :)
zaz
NancyN wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Tue, Oct 9 2007 8:31 AM
I think there are errors in the Angel wings lace instructions. I charted it out and found them as I charted.
SuzetteR wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Tue, Oct 9 2007 8:36 AM
I would really like to know if this topic is a book that I could buy? I am fascinated by this and would like to try it.
CathyM wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Tue, Oct 9 2007 11:15 AM
Joy Z: yes, you would replace a P2tog with a K2tog, and an SSK with an SSP. K2tog and P2tog slant in the same direction, so you would replace one with the other.
LynnB wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Tue, Oct 9 2007 1:00 PM
Ummm - what X and Y stitches? "2. When figuring out how many stitches to cast on: Drop the "balancing" stitches from your calculations.

In other words: Drop the Y number in the "multiple of X stitches plus Y" notation discussed above. Cast on only the "multiple of X" number for your in-the-round pattern."
Thanks for any clarification. Lynn

JodyL wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Tue, Oct 9 2007 2:31 PM
This was one of the most helpful articles I have ever read! Thank you so much for all of the great information! Keep it coming!
MarilynE wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Tue, Oct 9 2007 4:52 PM
This is the perfect companion piece for the stitch patterns and sock knitters! Thank you, Sandi.
Marilyn
NS wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Tue, Oct 9 2007 5:51 PM
This is actually regarding the holiday interweave knits issue-- will there be pictures of the garments on various body types? The sugarplum shrug is sorely tempting me, but I'm afraid to knit it up before I see what it looks like on someone with a 40-ish bust (I'm afraid I may inadvertently look like a bosom sandwich on white bread... er, lace...)
JanieB wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Wed, Oct 10 2007 8:03 AM
Is there a difference between "balancing" stitches and "edge" stitches? I am not understanding the second step in the conversion from flat to round.
JoyZ wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Wed, Oct 10 2007 8:41 AM
haha Cathy M, thank you for your reply, i guess sandi was speaking about reversing the "wrong side" of a flat pattern and i understood it first that she was saying to reverse absolutely everything! how silly of me, lol
RebeccaA wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Sat, Oct 13 2007 12:34 PM
I also want to thank you for sharing your ideas. I am a "converted knitter-in-the-round" ever since my fronts and backs did not match on a cotton summer top! To prevent my gauge from being drastically different in sleeves and socks I work them at the same time (a few rows on one; a few rows on the other).
LyndaS wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Tue, Oct 16 2007 4:45 PM
I love the William St socks, but I can't find this yarn available ANYWHERE in 6-ply. Can anyone help me?
ConstanceC wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Fri, Oct 19 2007 5:35 AM
I usually chart in Word, in table format, but Excel would be a good option, too.

Thanks for the idea.

It's strange - sometimes I prefer reading a chart, while other times I prefer having it in words. I usually have both on hand, if possible, and then I can go back and forth as the need arises.

I convert nearly all my patterns to "in the round" knitting, especially if you see "work front as same as back to {whatever point}" Then you can split it off and eliminate a couple of seams (and have them both the same length as a bonus)
AnneE wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Sun, Oct 21 2007 11:11 PM
My thanks to those of you who posted links to online chart generators! They're awesome finds!
ShireenK wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Tue, Oct 23 2007 8:04 AM
I love knitting in the round and do so whenever possible, sometimes even when in doubt. I once made my new baby a cardigan in the round. It was so much easier, it had a lot of color work. When I was done with the tube I simply put it on my sewing machine and sewed a couple of stips and then cut. My worst fear happened when I cut too close. So I put it back on the sewing machine and fixed it. No big deal. What a time saver. Shireen
SusanC wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Wed, Jan 9 2008 10:36 AM
Is it possible for someone to explain how to handle the sleeve openings when doing something in the round. I've got a lovely stitch pattern that I would like to try for a sweater however, I'm unsure about what happens when I get to the sleeve openings. HELP. Thanks..
Anonymous wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Thu, May 8 2008 8:03 PM
can techniques for knitting socks on 2 circular needles be explained? also how to convert a pattern using dpn's to 2 circilar needles?
LeahP wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Sat, May 24 2008 7:16 AM

I would like to know how to end working in the round on the neck of a sweater so that you can't tell where the beginning is?

thanks

LeahP

Wheatena wrote re: Converting Stitch Patterns for Working in the Round
on Sat, Jun 21 2008 10:48 AM

I found the article to be helpful, but I need more information...Could you give an example turning a "straight pattern" into a circular one including calculations and with pictures for each diagram and step?

Thank you.

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