Knitscene Fall 2008 Ahlstrom Bodice

Jul 13, 2008
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Gallery: Ahlstrom Bodice by Lou Schiela

Knitscene Fall 2008As you can see, the same sweater looks very different on different women! We give general suggestions for customization for your inspiration. Only you can choose how you want your sweaters to fit and which customizations will work best for you and your beautiful self!

Ahlstrom Bodice

Sample sweater shown measures 34".

 
Knitting Gallery - Ahlstrom Bodice Toni   Knitting Gallery - Ahlstrom Bodice Toni

Toni

Her bust: 33.5"
0.5" positive ease

Size: Here's a case where personal preference comes into play: This is cute as-is on Toni, but to my eyes, it looks a wee bit loose on her. If Toni were up for a smaller size, I'd recommend she try the 30", which would give her 3.5" negative ease and thus skim her curves in a very bodice-like way. Waist: The waist would definitely need to be lower--see how it hits her so high that the nice "flare-at-the-hips" is actually flaring out into space? Yep. That flare needs to be lower so it sits on her actual hips. However, for this particular garment, she should add most of the extra length ABOVE the waist shaping, and not necessarily add too much length below the waist. Why? Well, she wouldn't want the front "point" pointing too low. So: She could add perhaps a half-inch to the lower section below the waist, but add perhaps an inch-and-a-half or more to the section above the waist. This would move the waist indentation to where she needs it to be, keep the flare sitting on her hips, and not lengthen the point too much. Sleeves: Toni mentioned that the sleeves were tight on her athletic upper arms, so she could knit a larger size for the sleeves and adjust the sleeve cap accordingly so it fit the armhole. Toni could also use some added length at the cuff. Neck opening: This seems a bit wide to me on broad-shouldered Toni. She could narrow the front panel on both sides just a bit to bring in the sides of the neck opening.

 
Knitting Gallery - Ahlstrom Bodice Amy   Knitting Gallery - Ahlstrom Bodice Amy

Amy

Her bust: 39"
5" negative ease

Size: Whoo. This fits Amy like a medieval GLOVE. Now the question is: Does Amy like medieval gloves? Maybe, maybe not. I will say that I watched Amy pull this on, and it was a bit of a struggle. So perhaps a bit less negative ease and a larger size would help her feel more comfy (although we all admitted that the top looks GREAT on her, so there you are). Waist: The waist needs to be several inches lower; but as with Toni, you wouldn't want that point getting TOO low. Amy could add maybe an inch below the waist and maybe two inches above the waist to get that shaping into place. Sleeves: The sleeves are a smooth fit and hit right at her wrist bone. Nice. Neck opening: I think it's fine, although if she makes the larger size, I'd want her to do some measuring and comparing with the schematic to check that it would still be fine.

 
Knitting Gallery - Ahlstrom Bodice Kat   Knitting Gallery - Ahlstrom Bodice Kat

Kat

Her bust: 40"
6" negative ease

Size: Even though Kat's measurements are slightly bigger than Amy's, I think this top fits her better than Amy. Why? Well, Kat's ribcage is bigger than Amy's; Amy has larger assets up front. In other words: For Kat, the circumference is more evenly distributed around the entire front and back of the sweater; for Amy, the sweater has to be more generous in one (er, two) particular location(s). This affects things such as armhole fit, where the waist falls, and so on. Waist: Kat needs the waist dropped a bit; in her case, she can also add some length to the front point without worrying too much. Look at the back photo: The little flare is not sitting properly on her hips, so the whole waist/hip shaping needs to be moved down. She could add perhaps an inch and a half to the bottom section, and an inch above, to help put the waist where it belongs. Sleeves: Does she want them short or long? Right now they seem at an odd in between length. Shorten to three-quarters, or lengthen to her wrist, one or the other. Neck opening: Looks good!

 
Knitting Gallery - Ahlstrom Bodice Debbie   Knitting Gallery - Ahlstrom Bodice Debbie

Debbie

Her bust: 34.5"
0.5" negative ease

Size: Can we have a reality check, please? Is there anything that looks bad on Debbie? (The crowd shouts a resounding "NO!") OK, thanks. I was starting to think I was getting a bit loopy looking at all these photos. So: This looks great on Debbie. If she wanted a tighter, more medieval fit, then she could make the smaller size, but she doesn't need it. Waist: I think it hits her exactly where it should hit her. Look at the back photo: It sits on her hips perfectly. You could lower the point just a tad, like a half-inch, but again, maybe not. Sleeves: She has plenty of room in the armholes, and the cuffs fall at a nice location. Neck opening: No problems there.

 
Knitting Gallery - Ahlstrom Bodice Stefanie   Knitting Gallery - Ahlstrom Bodice Stefanie

Stefanie

Her bust: 34"
No ease

Size: I think this is a perfect size for Stefanie. Waist: The waist needs to be lower on Stefanie, but she does not necessarily need extra length below the waist. She could add two inches above the waist, making sure to space out the increases according, and it would be perfect. Sleeves and Neck Opening: Both fine, although maybe the sleeves are a bit short.

 
Knitting Gallery - Ahlstrom Bodice Erin   Knitting Gallery - Ahlstrom Bodice Erin

Erin

Her bust: 38"
4" negative ease

Size: Sometimes we Gallery Gals wonder if we even should show some of these on Erin, because her height makes them look like she is wearing munchkin clothing. Ah well. It's a learning exercise, right? Right. This is obviously a bit tight on Erin, as well as massively too short. The next size up, 38", would be zero ease, and might be a more attractive fit for her. Waist: Erin would have to do some careful measuring and comparing to the schematic to map out where the waist would fall on the larger size. Here, it is almost at her underbust and obviously needs to be much lower. Erin tells me that she always has to add several inches in length to her sweaters, so here, she would want to look at the schematic, figure out where that bottom point falls on the 38", and then measure herself to figure out how much length to add before and after the waist. Sleeves: The larger size would also give her more room in the armholes, and give her bigger sleeves, which would be more comfortable. The sleeves need to be lengthened by several inches. Neck opening: I think on the larger size it would be much better than it is here. Yarn note: Tall people need to buy extra yarn. (Think of it as increased opportunities to browse yarn shops.)

 
Knitting Gallery - Ahlstrom Bodice Sandi   Knitting Gallery - Ahlstrom Bodice Sandi

Sandi

Her bust: 40"
6" negative ease

Size: I know this looks kind of awesome on me (cough, cough), but I wouldn't wear it this tight unless I were going to the Renaissance Faire. In ordinary life, I'd make the 38" size, which would be easier to get on and be much more helpful in the breathing department. Waist: My waist is about an inch lower than the sweater's, which might be fixed by going up a size. Again, I'd check the schematic and see if I needed to adjust here. I would want to add some length below the waist, just because I like it that way. Sleeves: I need longer and larger sleeves, so again, the bigger size would help here also. Neck Opening: I think it's fine, and would measure the next size up to make sure it wasn't too big.

 
Knitting Gallery - Ahlstrom Bodice Bertha    

Bertha

Her bust: 34"
No ease

Size: Bertha, my dear, this is too big on you. You need the next size down. Why does zero ease look too big on Bertha and yet not too big on the other girls? I think it has something to do with Bertha's assets. They are small. Also, Bertha has no arms, and arms help to pull up the top section of a sweater a bit by filling things out at the shoulders. Waist: I think it needs to be higher on Bertha, but the hip flares are in the right place. This means that Bertha's knitter-for-hire would have to work about a half-inch or an inch more between the hip decreases and the upper increases to lengthen that middle section. Sleeves: Let us not rub salt in a tender wound, shall we? Neck opening: Seems a bit too small, even though the sweater overall is too big. Bertha's knitter could widen the color panels, thus setting the sides of the neck opening further apart.

   

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Comments

Sumac wrote
on Feb 12, 2009 3:09 PM
Amy is the most stunning in this one. I think its because she is busty and it fits her snugly which suits the design. The color combination is different and very nice.
HeatherN wrote
on Aug 17, 2008 7:51 PM

I highly disagree with this looking better on slender women. I actually think it looks the worst on Bertha. It makes her look completely shapeless!

I think it definitely looks the best on the curvier "bustier" women.

I also think that part of the reason people think it doesn't look good on the "larger" women is because all of them are wearing their work clothing underneath it, and it is obviously meant to be worn on its own. Everyone also needs to keep in mind that each one of these women tried on the same size garment. I think that with a few quite simple adjustments that this garment would look fantastic on all of these women.

Personally, I think that out of everyone, that even though it obviously doesn't fit at all, that the general shape of this garment looks the best on Erin. If she were to knit this in the proper size, with perhaps only a little bit of negative ease, and obviously more length, it would be absolutely STUNNING on her.

KellyA wrote
on Aug 11, 2008 6:17 PM

What's with the funky pink and the oatmeal taupe?  Yuck!   And what's with the tapered hem on everything?  

on Jul 24, 2008 5:44 AM

Please don't stop showing the 'munchkin clothes' on Erin!!!!  She's the only one of your models that comes even close to my size - and she's almost a perfect fit for me!  It's WONDERFUL to see how the pattern would truly fit me, in exactly the same way as it helps everybody else!

Some of us out here really ARE tall, juts like Erin, and we appreciate your having someone closer to our size!  Showing me the fit of a sweater on a 5'2" woman does me no more good than showing me the picture in the magazine!

ChristineN wrote
on Jul 23, 2008 4:55 PM

I love the gallery.  It is a great idea to show how a pattern looks on different size models.  I really felt it looked good on several of the ladies and it is really a matter of taste if you would wear it.  Keep up the good work Sandi.   It did look good on you!

MistyY wrote
on Jul 20, 2008 10:09 AM

I love this sweater, and look forward to making it, and now I know that it would help a  lot to use negative ease when selecting a size for myself.  I like the new setting you are using for the photos; it really helps to focus attention on the sweaters and the fit.  However, I notice that more often than not the models have some sort of top on under the sweater, which changes the fit considerably, as well as distracting a lot from the appearance of the sweater. If you're talking about fit to this extent, perhaps a discussion of under garments should be part of the topic. And Sandi, you do look awesome in that sweater!

PetraB wrote
on Jul 17, 2008 12:55 AM

The first thing I noticed on all of the "models" is that it looks horrible in the bust, none of them are wearing a properly fitted bra to make them look good, specially with type of sweater, you want to look good and have a great bodice, but not if you wear a worn out, loose, imporper fitted bra.

DeniseW wrote
on Jul 16, 2008 7:31 PM

In regard to the comments about the sweater being too short on nearly every Gallery Gal, keep in mind that most of them were bigger around than the sample sweater.  When you stretch a knit for greater width, it shortens in length.  The sizing standards aren't really the issue here.

To fit a larger sleeve into a smaller armhole, you need to determine how many extra stitches the larger sleeve has.  Divide this number by two to find out how many extra decrease rows to work between or after the decrease rows listed in the pattern.  You can work the extra decreases in the same rows as the pattern decreases instead, if that is simpler for you.  In a thicker yarn, working extra decreases in the same row can get a bit lumpy, though.

Sandy's descriptions of lengthening the body are very good.  It really is as simple as adding extra length above the waist if that is where you need it, or below, or both.  This is where measuring another sweater can really help those of us who don't have access to a sample!

JudithA wrote
on Jul 16, 2008 3:50 PM

I loved this sweater when I first laid eyes on it, however, after seeing it on the real-life models, I don't think I'll be making it for myself. Frankly, I think it looks horrendous on the full-figured women. It would probably look better if they were wearing a size appropriate for them.I am not full-figured myself, but I am squat of body and short-waisted. Figuring out the pattern adjustments would make this more effort than it's worth. It does look great on Toni, would look great on Debbie with some minor adjustments.

neats55 wrote
on Jul 16, 2008 3:40 PM

Love the sweater, love the galleries--it is great to see how one pattern can work on so many bodies.  Sandi, you look mahvelous!  I'm heavier and bustier than I've ever been, but I would still try this sweater after seeing it on so many body types. I'd use different colors--isn't that in the knitter's bill of rights?--so the comments about the color choices sort of baffle me--it's not even an issue!  Now to go back to prior articles and learn about positive & negative ease and how to make those adjustments.  Thanks to Sandi and all the models!

AJW wrote
on Jul 16, 2008 8:02 AM

Love the color, love the photos.  I fell for this sweater as soon as I saw it  and plan to make it for myself.  I am lke Erin, but a bit fluffier so will be sure and buy EXTRA yarn.

Ladymienna wrote
on Jul 16, 2008 7:32 AM

First I want to say - I love these galleries!

Second - I love this sweater, I think it looks great and flattering on all these ladies. I read the comments saying it doesn't look good on well endowed ladies but I have to disagree, I think it looks great! It seems like, given the ease, it could look good and give an hour glass shape to anyone.

Lababla wrote
on Jul 16, 2008 12:40 AM

I eventually found out how to leave a comment ;)

I love to see those galleries. The problem nowadays is that all models on magazines are skinny and make you think you will look the same if you buy it. Now that you show us how garment look on different body shape, we will not waste hours of knitting something that may not suite us in the end. Like you say, it's a matter of taste;)

The next step, would be to be able to send you a pic of our body shape and you provide guidance of what type of garment shape would fit us (e.g. I am not busty with a buddha belly and high hips...the Ahlstrom bodice wouldn't fit me as my belly would be too proeminent)

LeAnnA wrote
on Jul 15, 2008 7:42 PM

I like it on Kat, except for the sleeves,  and Toni. Isn't a bodice supposed to be snug?

LeAnnA

KarenP wrote
on Jul 15, 2008 6:23 PM

Seeing Erin modeling the sweaters reminds me ask you: Could you please list each model's height in addition to bust measurement? I'm 6 feet tall myself, so garment/bodice length is always an issue. But it might be helpful to others, no matter what their hieight is, also.... And thanks so much for showing the Ahlstrom in the galleries! It's a beauty even in that (cough) color. I totally agree with the comments that say shapely sweaters rock on a variety of body sizes and shapes. Many times a nicely shaped sweater will look waaay better on a larger or more endowed woman that a straight, shapeless one.

BonneyRabbit wrote
on Jul 15, 2008 4:55 PM

I absolutely love the design of this garment; however, I think other colors would enhance it.  Like many of the others, I'm a "Rubenesque" woman and don't think it would be very flattering on me.  But, it would be really great for a "stick person."

on Jul 15, 2008 3:54 PM

The way the sweater emphasizes the stomach way too much.    To wear this sweater, the stomach needs to be FLAT.    I think Bertha should keep the sweater.   The loose fit looks best on her.  

I like the gallery.    With the gallery, one does not have to make the garment first in order to find out how it will look when worn.    It is really frustrating to see something that looks wonderful in a picture, put out all the effort to make it, and then find out you should not be seen in public wearing it.

SIBERRYA wrote
on Jul 15, 2008 2:59 PM

Thank God for Erin. Please keep her in there and trial a larger size for a change.

Mildred S wrote
on Jul 15, 2008 12:11 PM

I just love this portion of Knitting Daily.  I love to see how the different bodies fit into the patterns.  It gives a wonderful overview on how the garment will look on several bodies, which we are all so different and unique!!  Please keep the section alive.

SarahB wrote
on Jul 15, 2008 11:58 AM

Very flattering on the well endowed, including Sandi. The length is ideal; the design would not work if it were significantly longer. I agree with the comments about the drabness of colour. I think black and grey would be groovy, if a touch gothic!!

MelissaC wrote
on Jul 15, 2008 10:31 AM

I agree with CathyS--If nearly every real-world "model" you had try on the sweater needs the waist shaping adjusted by multiple inches, doesn't this mean IK designers need to rethink the lengths of sweaters and the placement of waistlines?  I'm tall (5'11"), but I'm leggier than I am long-torsoed, and I *always* have to adjust waist shaping by multiple inches.  Drives me nuts.

apoteat wrote
on Jul 15, 2008 10:01 AM

Thanks, ladies, for providing these galleries!  I wish I had learned about ease and fit earlier in my knitting experience.  This information is tremendously helpful!

JanL wrote
on Jul 15, 2008 9:58 AM

Overall I don't think this is an attractive top on most women. But then I'm not a fan of anything that screams "Hey look at my chest!!" I  think (from experience) that women that are bigger on top look better with a longer top. Short tops and high necks emphasize that the boobage is lower. Just my humble opinion.

I do love the galleries though, helps to see what the tops will look like on me. ;)

PeggyS@4 wrote
on Jul 15, 2008 9:13 AM

I really don't think this is my cup of tea.  I really don't care aloy for the color and I'm way too large for this type of pattern.

CeliaG wrote
on Jul 15, 2008 8:48 AM

Thanks to ALL of you gallery gals for modeling, and THANK YOU, Sandi, for enlightening us all as to how to change this pattern for a better fit!  

I voted for this sweater to be in the gallery since I could tell there would be huge fit problems for the general public, and I truly want to learn more about identifying fit discrepancies and learning how to correct for them.

Please keep these galleries.  They are quite an education for me whether or not the featured sweater is something I would make.

Thanks again, ladies!!

Esther wrote
on Jul 15, 2008 8:40 AM

Very pretty pattern, and as a formally-skinny, post-pregnancy, bustier version of me, I still prefer to wear fitted clothes.  Loose clothes don't hide the fact that you're voluptuous, honeys... they just make you look like you're trying to hide, and leave you shapeless... so you might as well GET A GOOD BRA AND ACCENTUATE THE GOOD STUFF!!  

However, like most of your models, I find that a lot of tops are toooooo short, usually by an inch or two. I thought that was just because I am tall, but, if your group of models is representing an actual cross section of sizes, the fact that the sweater needed a drop in the waist for almost everyone... ARE YOU PATTERN MAKERS GETTING THE HINT??  MAKE YOUR PATTERNS WITH A LOWER WAISTLINE!!

As for colour, it's great for the models with natural red or coppery highlights, probably because they have rosier tones in their porcelain skin  than the rest of us, who look better in colour.  Light browns are best suited for camouflage, and personally, I don't like blending in with the background.  If I'm taking the time to make something special, it had better make me stand out, in a good way!

PatB@2 wrote
on Jul 15, 2008 7:59 AM

Personally I like the sweater.  It is nice to see how it fits

on different sizes..I like the front and especially like the

back as I am short waisted and this style suits me best.

Don't like the color.......change it.

Keep up the good work.

Pat B. Peterborough

JaneC@2 wrote
on Jul 15, 2008 7:52 AM

I am so happy to see the gallery photos on "real" bodies. Great job, ladies!

Seems like this sweater should be longer on nearly everyone. And I would probably make it in something like ivory and gold or blue and green. The color is a little drab.

on Jul 15, 2008 7:27 AM

Personally not crazy about this pattern or color choice. The point would do nothing for my figure except "point out" what I try so hard to hide.   In my opinion this size looks best on Toni, but given the adjustments could look good on all models.

Thank you for REAL models!  and the oportunity to see the pattern size on a varity of shapes and sizes.  It's a huge help!

MelissaS@3 wrote
on Jul 15, 2008 7:24 AM

I love the galleries! This would look great on my oldest daughter, who is a big gal, very busty, shortwaisted and completely into the medieval/goth/unusual, ie., hard to find anything she likes in knit wear. I think you hear this a lot, but thank you again for this wonderful resource.

RachelS wrote
on Jul 15, 2008 7:20 AM

I didn't think I liked this pattern originally, but seeing it on so many different shapes made me change my mind.  I am a curvier person and I think this might be really flattering.  I'm going to add it to my ravelry.com queue for autumn.  Thank you for being such good sports!

on Jul 15, 2008 7:12 AM

I wanted to knit this sweater for myself, but am intimitated by the pattern.  I would also do it in a jewel tone - royal blue or emerald green.  I love the vee!  It looks best on Sandi and Stephanie.  I frequently change the sleeves - I have large biceps and that wouldn't be too hard on this sweater, but lowering the waist??!?  I'm a bit hesitant on that.  I must reconsider because it looks fabulous and I really appreciate the gallery!

EleanorL wrote
on Jul 15, 2008 7:10 AM

I love this top and can't wait to knit it ( but then I have read the Mists of Avalon at least six times!) I'm skinny and rather "flat-chested" but I think this is great for the more well-endowed ( definately with a good bra ( I wish!) Think I'll do it in greens.

cccavicch wrote
on Jul 15, 2008 7:08 AM

I love this sweater!  Thanks for including it in the gallery.

Now, I just need advice on how to substitute other colors!

PJB wrote
on Jul 15, 2008 6:34 AM

You gals look like you're having sooooo much fun!

However, I don't like this top - at all...can't wait for the next one though....

SharonR wrote
on Jul 15, 2008 6:32 AM

LOVE the design! Seems we have quite a few prudes in the barn today. :) Anyway, I really appreciate the detailed multi-body reviews. Wish this were available for every pattern.

Sandi - your loss (bravo!!!) is my loss too... in a bad way. How can I see how garments will fit on bigger tummies? Can we draft a fluffier girl to model in addition to the current gorgeous crew?

SherryP wrote
on Jul 15, 2008 5:47 AM

The chance to see the garment on women of different sizes & shapes, not only slender models, is great! This sweater actually looks great on Sandi and the more . . . generously built "upstairs". I'd hesitate to make it for a flat-chested person like myself.

As for the colors, the same one don't suit everyone's coloring and taste. Look among the different yarn colors for one you prefer. For example, I just finished knitting the Lutea shell, shown in yellow in Summer 2007 IK. I look awful in yellow, so I made it in lavender. I love it!

Pica wrote
on Jul 15, 2008 5:31 AM

These galleries are invaluable for helping to adjust garments to fit...in one of the suggestions it says;  "Sleeves: Toni mentioned that the sleeves were tight on her athletic upper arms, so she could knit a larger size for the sleeves and adjust the sleeve cap accordingly so it fit the armhole."  Can someone elaborate on how to do this manoeuvre?  This is an adjustment I need to make consistently but not understanding the math so to speak I usually just end up making a bigger size sweater...er baggy thing.  As for the colour...I think it suffers somewhat from the large proportion of that shade in the photo's.  A little contrast would make it seem less dull.

Thanks

Pica

RobynB wrote
on Jul 15, 2008 4:35 AM

In your explanation below each picture, would you consider adding people's heights.  I'm still trying to figure out how to make all this information work to knit a great sweater.  Having the height as well as the bust would help me match things up.

Thanks, Robyn

on Jul 15, 2008 1:30 AM

I love seeing the galleries - thank you so much for doing it. It helps me understand why some patterns work on me and others don't - next step after undertanding is fixing! I too would love some information on how to understand schematics and move waists etc

thanks again. Louise

MelanieD wrote
on Jul 15, 2008 12:28 AM

IK has been an "AHA!" experience for me, who thought you were "allowed" to change things on a set pattern...?! duh! I have just finished knitting the second IK pattern (previously only ever German/British/French patterns that are rarely fitted at all) and am learning to pay attention: the Surf Hoodie is so perfect you wouldn't believe but the Lotus top could have been a size smaller despite my generous figure - see, this is where the gallery is so cool! We see that even those of us with a bust over 34" can wear a smaller size and sometimes even look better than the neat figured girls... REVELATION!

Re. the colour - isn't this what makes knitting so personal?! However, wouldn't it be cool if knitters could add a pic of their own versions in their choice of colours to these pattern pages to give others with less imagination a better idea of how the garment suits different colourings.

Just an idea!

DBarton495 wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 10:44 PM

Well, I didn't like this sweater at all in the magazine, but now I'm kinda liking it.  I like it on the fuller figure too, though not many of you did. It just looks like it should fit snug as long as the back doesn't get the 'creeps'. I agree that the color should change...maybe black /gray? Have to say I love this idea!!!!

CharleneC wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 10:07 PM

Ahlstrom Bodice

You know, I really liked this sweater.  It was different.  what I would do is square or round the point just a bit.  This way, if one has to make it longer it is not pointing south in an obvious manner.  This item looked good on just about all the models, regardless of body type and shape.  Yes, there is going to be some altering because of shapes, etc., but , all in all, this was a flattering item.  At 57 yrs. of age, I would knit if for myself (just make certain the directions for the various shapes are posted!  LOL).  Cherrie C. Washington State.

LaneyH wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 10:02 PM

I prefer how this looks on the well endowed women.   Since the size of the sweater is much smaller than their measurements, how on earth would one know what size to knit if you thought lots of negative ease would make the sweater look better?

Laney

MaryD@3 wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 9:41 PM

Personally I love this sweater although would knit it in a brighter colour.  Thank you for the models and comments on how to alter the pattern for each unique figure.  I have been knitting for over 50 years but am learning so much from this site.  Makes me want to be more adventurous.  Keep up the good work!

Marg wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 9:32 PM

I definitely prefer the Medieval look on the more generously endowed models; it may not be comfortable but they do look hot!

on Jul 14, 2008 9:19 PM

THANKS for all the commentary and for your staff's willingness to model for us: I'm learning from these galleries, Sandi.

As for the point down center front,  a recent Berroco pattern book (#277) has a sweater with a...medallion...pointing thataway, and my daughter screeched: 'Why is it located THERE, why not, say, at the SIDES??'  One of my friends observed that SHE'D reverse the direction of the medallion, but that is way beyond my skill level.

I ruefully admit to FEAR upon reading the following, and to imagining that perhaps an illustration might show what is being described/suggested:  

"she would want to look at the schematic, figure out where that bottom point falls on the 38", and then measure herself to figure out how much length to add before and after the waist."  I'm too ignorant to follow that, BUT I guess that I could...learn! :)

on Jul 14, 2008 9:03 PM

The sweater empasizes the stomach  and backside in a most unflattering way.   Definitely not becoming.   Doesn't do much for the bustline either.    Bertha definitely  should keep the sweater as she lacks a stomach as well as a backside and her bust doesn't amount to much either.    

The gallery certainly helps in making the appropriate decision about whether to knit or not to knit a particular item.   Most helpful.

T.H wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 8:22 PM

Whether it's because the sweater is the wrong size or it is just built that way, it really emphasizes the need for a properly fitting bra.  It may be that it's just the optical illusion of this sweater, but except for Toni, it looks like you all have really exhausted 'girls'.  :-(

Moonrose wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 8:16 PM

As the kind of woman who has large tracts of land up top, as it were, seeing how it sits on all these different shapes I think I like the idea, but I'd still have to re-engineer it.  I'd want the bust bustier, lower, so it didn't make the "girls" look lower than they ought (unfortunate fact of fit in my book - beeg boobies and standard necklines make worse what gravity already does enough of, thank you).  But until I SAW the sweater, I couldn't be sure.  This Gallery is a delight for that =D

on Jul 14, 2008 8:01 PM

But I forgot to mention that the gallery idea is very good and very, very useful.  It's great to see what some of these patterns will REALLY look like.

Laura wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 7:58 PM

It just amazes me how the same sweater can look so different.  Thank you for the detailed commentaries, and a big thanks to all the models.

(Yes, Sandi, you do look awsome!)

on Jul 14, 2008 7:43 PM

YECH!  I agree with Snot et.al. - this is really awful.   Really, such a short back on most women isn't going to be flattering at all!  So, unless one is very slim with thin arms, a trim tush and a generous boobidge (in other words, a model-like figure)  this one is  a dud.  Looks bad on everybody!  (And, by the way, the color is really blah - washed out on all the models.  Probably would look better on women of color....)

NickyC wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 7:17 PM

By commenting that these samples would look better on someone "thinner" or with a more "hourglass" shape, we are making the case for the marketing groups on the use of size 2 models and unrealistic expectations for women's figures!  I think they look great.  Beautiful artistry!  The galleries are a great idea--you can see how the finished piece really and truly looks!  Thanks so much to all.  Nicky

MarilouM wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 7:17 PM

I agree with some of you and disagree with others. I think IF each model wore the sweater with the mentioned adjustments, so that it fit properly, it would look better on everyone. But I agree that the color is far too drab for most of the models used here. Beige is a color that does not suit a lot of people.  Change the color and make the proper garment size and we have a winner.

JOANNEJ wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 7:07 PM

I LOVE THE GALLERIES AND YOUR COMMENTS SANDI ARE

REALLY HELPFUL, MAKES ME LOOK AT THE GARMENT WITH A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.  THIS WAS ONE OF MY LEAST FAVORITE SWEATERS BUT SEEING IT ON A REAL PERSON, INSTEAD OF A MODEL, I AM ABLE TO SEE HOW A DIFFERENT COLOR, MAYBE 3/4 SLEEVES, PERHAPS A LACE CAMI UNDERNEATH, THIS SWEATER COULD BE DRESSED UP FOR DINNER, GREAT WITH A SKIRT OR DRESS PANTS FOR THE OFFICE AND I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT WITH JEANS.  PLEASE KEEP THE GALLERIES!!!!!  JOANNE

JaneL wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 7:07 PM

thank you for the gallery...the real life models make the garments much more accessible to knitters....instead of putting ill fitting garments at the bottom of the drawer, we now have assistance in making them look custom made. thank you models.

on Jul 14, 2008 7:06 PM

Love the sweater...maybe not for me but definitely for one of my daughters.  It reminds me of the top to a German Dirndl.  I love the way it closes in the front.

Sandi, you are just dropping the pounds like mad!  You look fabulous...maybe one of these days you can clue us in on how you're doing it!  Keep up the good work!

Betty C.

cutlermac wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 7:02 PM

Doesn't flatter any of the models.

CathyS@2 wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 7:02 PM

I can't help but notice that the waist shaping needed to be lower on almost EVERYONE!   Maybe this should be a hint to the designers?

AmyM wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 6:44 PM

I have to say I like the sweater and the colors because they are kind of medieval, which is a period I dig.  I wouldn't make it because it would look REALLY bad on me.  I love the galleries because we get to see what things look like on a variety of body types.  Let's just say, I'm not built like Bertha!

Sandi, you are looking marvelous!  Keep up the very good work.

JenJ wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 6:43 PM

I had to smile at the comments from those who felt this didn't look good on a bustier woman, because I am a bustier woman and this gallery has made me seriously consider making the sweater for myself for the first time.  I also thought the color was nice and classic, although not a color for me.  Seeing everyone's personal preferences as discussed here is almost as interesting as the galleries themselves...and by the way:  Knitting Daily Team, thank you so very much for doing these!  To be able to see how these items fit on a multitude of differently shaped and sized individuals is awesome, but Sandi's commentary EXPLAINING what we're seeing is even better.

Fiberlicious wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 6:39 PM

Don't shoot the messenger.

What you can't say because you work there, but I can because I don't, is that this sweater just doesn't work. It looks bad on every one of the models - even Debbie. When every single person has to significantly alter a pattern, that just says "bad design."

Sorry.

MarciaC wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 6:36 PM

This sweater looks good on Bertha and Toni.  I really don't like the colors and the point.It does nothing for those who have a bit more weight on them than they should.  It does make them look fat.  

Julie C wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 6:19 PM

Ick. Not only are the colors boring, I don't think it looks all that good on anyone. I certainly won't be making that. But, I obviously have no taste, because everyone else loves it. My bad.

on Jul 14, 2008 6:13 PM

I love this design best as a form-fitting glove/bodice for luscious curves.  I think it would look a lot better with a long, full skirt - this would also make its form-fitting nature more lovely and less uncomfortable for the curvier ladies.  The color has got to go, though.  Needs something soft and flower-colored or deep jewel-toned.

Carol Y wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 6:11 PM

Thank you for doing a gallery of this one. The comments are super helpful for someone who has already made the flare-at-the-wrong-place mistake before. I like the colors, but then again they look pretty good on me. Has IK ever thought about computer-adjusting colors so people can evaluate other combos? Maybe this could be another web bonus. I see this done all the time on retail clothing sites. The picture is the same, but the garment color changes. (I also like the new gallery backdrop and plant. And pictures of the back and side of the garment!)

JeanneC@2 wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 6:05 PM

I think these galleries are so helpful! Too often those of us who are overweight or old wear garments that are just too shapeless. This sweater looks good on practically everyone, and I would not have thought so.

KathleenR@2 wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 6:01 PM

Beautiful design!

I love your gallery feature with the instructive comments.  It is an incredibly useful and interesting device and I have learned a lot from viewing.

A question--since you have been doing this feature, have you changed any of the sizing/design parameters for your designers?

Thanks,

Kathleen

BeckyS@2 wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 5:49 PM

I voted for this one.... It looks fabulous on all of you.  I love the mocha color (at least, on my monitor) and it reminds me of the Bi-Color Cables pattern, also in your store, with the same concept of a different-color front panel and very interesting use of cable, for a flattering look.  

We create these works of art to wear anyplace we want to walk in beauty.  Thank you so much, ladies!  

on Jul 14, 2008 5:49 PM

Eh, I was joking ladies!  The galleries are super fun.

JudiR wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 5:44 PM

PS  Unless your pants are tight enough to cause camel toe, Idon't think the "pointing" is a seriious issue.

TracyW wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 5:37 PM

I have to respectfully disagree with those who think this sweater doesn't look good on a well-endowed woman. I think it looks SPLENDID on a chesty woman, and, being one myself, I'm thinking about knitting this one for myself! The points at the neckline and at the hem, as well as the lacing and the center vertical panels, help elongate the figure. Okay, if you wear the sweater with a pair of pants, it will point at your lady parts, but if you wear it with a skirt, you'll get the benefits of the diagonal and vertical lines without so much emphasis on the naughty bits.

JudiR wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 5:37 PM

These galleries are the greatest thing to come along in women's clothing.  Not only do we see HOW it fits different women, but also WHY it fits that way.  they may not suit everyone's taste, but the process is fascinating.

I also like that the garment is put on over whatever the model is wearing that day, not special underwear or "fitting" tactics that fashion magazines use.  we  so seldom see "normal" women in any kind of fashion presentation these days. I am NOT six feet tall and size 1.  I am short, and the fattest I have ever been, but seeing real women wearing real clothes is very helpful as I try to clothe myself.

on Jul 14, 2008 5:27 PM

Ok, I'm getting ready for the hate mail...I think it's awful.  Points to the poo-naany, and makes the booty look big.  But if you're into that, than hey, righteous sweater.

Again, ready for the hate the mail.

SuzanneV wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 5:17 PM

This is the sort of thing I would knit in a heartbeat, but never wear.  It is super cute, but what would I do with it?  

on Jul 14, 2008 5:13 PM

DianaJD - I have to respectfully disagree regarding what body types this looks good on.  As a very curvy size 20 (bust 38), I think that top would look super-sexy on me and I'm inspired to think about making it.  Too often big girls wear shapeless garments.  Bodice-style tops can be very flattering on fuller figures and the middle panel helps draw the eye in and down.  

So, yeah - I guess if someone is very well-endowed in the belly region or more pear-shaped, perhaps it wouldn't be as flattering.  But I do think it's a style that can look good on a variety of body types.

Peggan wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 5:13 PM

What a great idea -- I like the concept of explaining how to alter the given pattern.  I am usually just hoping that my pieces are approximately the right size and often they are not quite what I hoped for.  A very helpful and educational concept.

Zeila wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 5:09 PM

I just don't like the point at the bottom...it's pointing at something I don't care to emphasize!

JeanM@3 wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 5:07 PM

Hey, Sandi! You're looking better all the time!

JackieG@2 wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 5:05 PM

Was this tried on Bertha after the other photos were taken?  To me it looks like the sweater is stretched out by the time it got to Bertha.  But maybe it really is just too big.

DianeD wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 5:02 PM

I also think it looks best on Bertha.  It suits a smaller busted woman with slender curves at the waist/hip area - I agree with JenyferJ that the grey/brown color does not do justice to this sweater.    

Thanks to all of you, these galleries really help me to be really honest about which styles suit me best.    You are all so wonderful for doing this for us.   Keep them coming.

NinaE wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 4:52 PM

Actually ... I think it looks best on Sandi! Wonderful with her coloring, wonderful fit. A success!

BexaidaC wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 4:52 PM

What an excellent thing to do for us to virtuallyu try on things we may want to knit beforehand for us to wear. I have wanted to see soemthing like thisd for a long time as most models are air touched or perfected in some way, This way we cna evaluate for ourselves. many thanks for such clearcut thinking for ther readers! deLadyBex

JenyferJ wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 4:42 PM

I really like the bottom of the this sweater but have to agree with Diana JD, it is NOT suited for a "fluffy" woman who might be a tad thick thru the waist, such as myself. I would love to see the bottom of this sweater on something else but definately couldn't make it for myself to wear. Needs a more romantic colour, like a soft green or lavendar...the grey/brown is depressing.

StephanieR wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 4:42 PM

I learn so much from these gallaries, they you all for being willing to participate and have your measurments posted for all to see.  

Sandi thank you, thank you, thank you for your wonderful explainations.

BevH wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 4:37 PM

I think it looks best on Bertha.

JudyN wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 4:37 PM

I think this is a great look and a great color.  With the changes Sandi recommends, it would work well for each model except possibly Bertha.

Diana JD wrote
on Jul 14, 2008 4:26 PM

I don't find the color choices very appealing, & as for the overall styling?  This is definately something that's better suited for a slender woman, it's certainly NOT very flattering on anyone with a large bust or a tad overweight!  Sorry, not to offend anyone, but - it just doesn't "cut it" for me!