Silvia Haapsalu Shawl Pattern

Jul 8, 2010
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Silvia Haapsalu swatch chart, photo, and chart key.


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mathno wrote
on Jul 24, 2010 7:24 PM

I tried to download the pattern but error message came up.  It looks to be a beautiful shawl. mathno

on Jul 14, 2010 4:24 PM
on Jul 13, 2010 7:16 AM

They forgot the chartkey for the nupps.

The Symbol on the chart, which looks like an oval are those nupps. Their position is very clear. They can be knitted either through the front loop or through the back loop of one stitch.

Judith@53 wrote
on Jul 13, 2010 7:01 AM

Thank you Zaranne for answers to my question.  Judith.

germaine_sba wrote
on Jul 11, 2010 11:43 AM

I was all set to buy the book until I saw the $65.00 price tag.  I hope it comes out in paperback.

Dramatori wrote
on Jul 10, 2010 11:26 AM

This may help, regarding the one of the symbols:  As I look at it, it is hard for me to read whether it says 2X2, 2X3 or 5X5... but I don't really need to read it.  If you look at the diagram, thee are five spaces in the area where the symbol is.  This tells me it is 5X5.  You are "gathering" 5 stitches together there. 

This is a beautiful design.  About 20 years ago I had a sweater made with this same design and it was my all-time favorite sweater.  I almost cried when it was worn out.  I don't know if I could ever use this swatch to design a sweater from (probably not!) but... nice thought.  A wrap would probably hold up better anyway. :)

As a beginner knitter, this is something I probably won't be attempting anytime soon but it's something to work towards. 

Thanks so much for the inspirational piece.

Helga80 wrote
on Jul 9, 2010 8:56 PM
Helene RL wrote
on Jul 9, 2010 6:53 PM

Gorgeous! I may try to incorporate a panel of it into a sweater. I appreciate your publication of a chart - makes it SO much easier to follow. Thank you. 

Gramavic wrote
on Jul 9, 2010 6:13 PM
Crow wrote
on Jul 9, 2010 5:36 PM

For those who are interested in the full pattern for the Queen Silvia Shawl, it is also on pages 40 to 45 in the book by Nancy Bush called KNITTED LACE OF ESTONIA, Techniques, Patterns, and Traditions

Zaranne wrote
on Jul 9, 2010 3:30 PM

I don't believe the nupps are the 5X5 symbol in row 15 as tinkknitz indicates.  They are the oval diamond shape on the chart.  You can easily see this if you compare the chart to the knitted swatch.  A nupp is pretty much a popcorn or bobble stitch, so the Gather stitch wouldn't be it.  And lastly, this symbol (oval diamond) is NOT represented on the key (yes, Interweave, that is confusing), the normal looking diamond on the key is a twisted knit stitch, so don't use that one. 

And the answer to Judith@53's question about even rows, generally when a chart does not give even numbered rows, it's yes, purl them all.  Most lace charts do this, it makes the chart look more like the pattern I think.  However, keeping this in mind, DON'T do that on the nupps!  The instruction on how to make a nupp in the e-mail tells you to purl ALL those stitches you made in the one stitch together, otherwise you'll end up with WAY too many stiches!

As for those of you complaining about what constitutes free...I quote

"I've included the Siliva Pattern for you at right.  Try knitting a SWATCH with a lace weight merino on size 2 1/2 - 4 US needles."

So the chart for the SILVIA PATTERN for a Haapsalu Shawl or Scarf is included, not the FULL instructions for a shawl or scarf.

 

PninaAB wrote
on Jul 9, 2010 2:43 PM

thank you for this pattern. i try to  work it from my experience  and almost   succeed

 the diamond shape is a popcorn stitches. you can see it in youtube. there are many ways to work it.

PninaAB wrote
on Jul 9, 2010 2:43 PM

thank you for this pattern. i try to  work it from my experience  and almost   succeed

 the diamond shape is a popcorn stitches. you can see it in youtube. there are many ways to work it.

yardleywolfe wrote
on Jul 9, 2010 2:41 PM

I wos not able to download the pattern.

AnneGreene wrote
on Jul 9, 2010 2:37 PM
HarmonyO wrote
on Jul 9, 2010 2:35 PM

This looks like fun to try with worsted weight yarn and bigger needles, for those of us with less time to spend knitting (:  The pattern would create a beautiful and very different garment!

Maybe the title of the download shouldn't have used "shawl" since it's a taste of the lace pattern, not a shawl pattern...

Thanks, Knitting Daily, for all you give us FREE!

 

 

BettyW@29 wrote
on Jul 9, 2010 1:24 PM
LisaT@21 wrote
on Jul 9, 2010 12:34 PM

Seems pretty clear to me that only a sample of the pattern was promised for free. It's a practice piece, and a very nice one I think. I'm sure that if I can do this segment that I'll be able to do the pattern. Also, I thought the directions were quite clear and well done. I was looking at the chart at 130% in pdf format. I would imagine that if you were to enlarge it even more that it would be quite clear and easy to read. Thanks for this!!!

ixsttch2 wrote
on Jul 9, 2010 12:10 PM

Kathleen

I noticed that the specific directions for making the nupp were not included on the chart directions.  I believe the nupp is the diamond symbol, but no specific information for the nupp is given.  Is it a k,yo,k,yo,k? or is it more?  Any information that you can provide would be most appreciated.  I am anxious to try this in a scarf pattern or rectangular shawl.  Thanks in advance for your help.

 

Ruth

ixsttch2 wrote
on Jul 9, 2010 12:06 PM
emmym wrote
on Jul 9, 2010 11:42 AM

Thanks so much Tinkknitz!!

zoro wrote
on Jul 9, 2010 11:16 AM
on Jul 9, 2010 11:15 AM

Ditto from me...

This isn't a pattern that is complete. . . and so much more than even Elizabeth Zimmerman's books leave for our imagaination. . .and it was not enlarged either .  ..  .  I hope you intend to give the shawl pattern as told in the article today...it is lovely but. . .before I buy a lot of yarns/ and another pattern book of another technique / lace specialty of kniting. . . I like to know that I can do it. . .and enjoy the weight/ size of hook, and am dealing with a quality pattern book with full easy to follow explanations even for an Intermediate or Expert Crochet'er . .  Our time is valuable too... You are doing so much each day . . .Maybe this unique program deleted something for us to buy that service ? ? ?   maybe not your fault...  Free has to be Free. . . Ya think ?

For those who couldn't copy the two pages given. . .try doing this I reduced the size of my screen (put mouse on edge until there was a double ended arrow and pulled it lower, , ,so I could see my "File link" across the top (mine is at the uper left edge). . I kept the pattern screen on top / below the edge ...I clicked save, then chose my desktop and clicked to save it there... I then didn't have to print today...I don't always have ink in my printer that is why I have it on desktop until I can print it and try it. And I can print one side and then flip the paper and return it to my copier and  and print the second page. (watch thatit is the right number of page to print .  Hope that helps

on Jul 9, 2010 11:14 AM

The instruction for doing the nupp is in the email from Knitting Daily.  That email also says there is a free download of the chart for a motif, not for an entire pattern for a shawl. 

To knit a rectangular shawl with this motif, you just need to do a swatch for the motif, calculate how many you motifs you need to make the shawl based on size of motif and length & width of your desired shawl, and what border you want.

 

tinkknitz wrote
on Jul 9, 2010 11:12 AM

Looking for NUPPS?? The nupps are the asterisk looking symbol with two "5"s in it in row 15. Try enlarging the chart at least  200% and you'll see two of them in row 15.  remember, this is just a small swatch and may not necessarily use all symbols.

on Jul 9, 2010 11:07 AM

I am anxious to try this pattern with some scrap yarn, but I am so new to knitting. What are the even row instructions? And why was one of the stitch symbols explaination not given with te rest of of the the chart symbols?  I have found that with both knitting and crochet instructions, the writer assumes way too much. I am an experienced crocheter, and many patterns skip simple instructions. I feel it is due to the writer being so advanced, they have forgotten that some people will ALWAYS need precise step by step instructions. Those that are willing to advance their craft should remember what it was like when they first began. If that style of pattern writing is too slow or basic,or unecessary, maybe they should rethink why they write patterns.

SBiswas wrote
on Jul 9, 2010 10:47 AM

Oh  Thank  you Kathleen ,I must try this pattern.

emmym wrote
on Jul 9, 2010 10:34 AM

OK....spent all morning hurrying to get my chores done and try this beautiful swatch. I am assuming all even rows are purl but where are the nupps on the chart?

 

shoutjoy wrote
on Jul 9, 2010 10:30 AM

Why do I have to join all this 'stuff' to get this pattern??????????????????/

Pat@61 wrote
on Jul 9, 2010 10:14 AM

Is the whole book a book of charts?

I am dyslexic, and could not follow this if my life depended on it.  If the book had written patterns, I would love to see them.

Thank you.

Pat Hoffert

West Seneca, NY

patricia.hoffert@verizon.net

JanetJ@4 wrote
on Jul 9, 2010 9:23 AM

The page with the key has a diamond shape with a twisted stitch instruction instead of the pointed oval symbol and instructions for the nupp. The nupp being the most important part of the pattern, I'd say the chart key needs to be redone to make this useful at all.

hildabees wrote
on Jul 9, 2010 9:19 AM
PurlyGirl@3 wrote
on Jul 9, 2010 8:54 AM

I am confused.  This is a chart for a lace pattern, but not for a shawl.  What am I doing wrong?  And there are symbols with no explanation.  did I miss a page?

on Jul 9, 2010 8:54 AM
llharpster wrote
on Jul 9, 2010 8:49 AM
CamillaG wrote
on Jul 9, 2010 8:41 AM
shelstev wrote
on Jul 9, 2010 8:21 AM

The key does not include the nupps - the closest shape to the chart says it's a ktbl.  ????????

ednafaye wrote
on Jul 9, 2010 7:41 AM
Judith@53 wrote
on Jul 9, 2010 6:52 AM

Kathleen -- thank you for the pattern.  it is beautiful.  I'd like to try it before purchasing the book, but becuase I'm still sort of a beginner, I have a couple of questions if you don't mind.  1.  There is a diamond shaped stitch on the chart and no corresponding symbol on the stitch chart -- can you tell me what it is?  2.  The chart illustrates only the odd rows.  Should I assume that the even rows are all purled?  Thanks again.  Judith Duffy.  (judithduffy@comcast.net)

on Jul 9, 2010 6:27 AM